Wednesday, March 21, 2007

I was going through a topic has the above title at Organic muslima blog and i had some notes to talk about

The arabic way of life was always strange for western communities , there are many contradictions if compared to the western style .

till the last century women was not allowed to join the public life or go to work , Doing this at this time was considered ashame for who approve it , but this is almost gone after about 100 year of conitious change .. leading to more open community .

this change made massive differences in the way of life , and shrunken the authorities controled by men , women now participate in general life effectivly , the old image is almost erased.

but there is nothing perfect .. there are still some remains stuck in Egyptian minds ,some use these remains to draw a negative image about Egyptian community , But in my openion .. these remains are normal .. this remains are found in any other county even western country , due to ignorance or defected personalities .

Moving from general life to personal life we wont find any noticable change .. due to the fact that women go to work just like men ,the domenant rule of men in the house as the income source and the controler person is vanished , time before this change borders were clear , men go to work for the whole day to come home expecting women to do their job as well .. which is simply taking care of childern , making food , cleaning the house .

women had their job inside the house and men had thiers too outside , this kind of life was not always that ideal .. some sick men (by time) started to mis-use this powers against women and forced them to get gradually aside and stay in shadow , which is not right .. although this kind of men are rare now but their ghost is still out there .

A working women is not haram in islam ..but islam put conditions to control this , women must have a true need to work either to help the family economically or to secure the living or its family in case of absence of men inside the family , other wise women should never put themselves in the hostile work environment , this is made basicly to protect women and save their dignity from one point of view , and to make sure they do their main rule they were created for which is raising children .

ofcourse i dont mean that women should stay in the house , in modern communities economical requirements are now more than what a single income source inside a house can handle , meaning that women work is now withen the first catigory for islamic point of view.

talking about man participating in house work is a must in islam ,islam ordered men to help women in the house , but due to traditional ignorance that is deeply penetrated through the street man in egypt , helping his wife became a shame .. he may do it in secret but never admit it :)

this is the (simple man) way of thinking.. had moderated education or no education at all , the percentage of such men is decreasing exponentially among the well educated class in egypt , simply because this class is more open minded and have more interaction with western communities from a side , and having better knowledge about what islam says from another side.

to summarize the relation in arab world now we will see different models
- the model of the ancient man who think that women is a dummy element that should obey in silence and those are like ghosts now found in ferry tails only and not common

- the enhanced model of the ancient man who uses his powers (economical power or even physical in the worst case)to control the house , woman is free to go out , do whatever she likes but his word is not negotiable(can be seen more in uneducated societies

-the fake model deals kindly with his women but show that he has control whenever he has a chance this model can help woman in house work but not in public

- the modern model which is the good model just like western standards and islamic standars as well

this last model is not rare as west think , because the new generations are mostly well educated more open minded .. and had interaction with outer world through internet and sattelite channels .

nothing is ideal and this is not based on any statistical studies .. only observation , living in the community and interacting with those different classes are my standards , we can say that most of educated youth are the last model , and also say that not all the (not educated ) class are the first or second .. some of them follow the modern model although they are not educated or had interaction with west ..simply because west is not the teacher ,the teacher in this matter is the personality ,raised conditions and the character itself.

but let me ask one question , Does woman in medern life do its duty twards its home and childern as it should be?
which is better the western women that has work as first periority and family comes second or the model of housekeeper?
 
posted by Unknown at 9:20 PM |


11 Comments:


At 2:03 AM, Blogger Organica

Mawdo3 gameel ya MeshMesh, Jazzak Allah kol khair for linking to my modest post.

Bismillah:

I believe that women in any society, whether in the Eastern or Western world takes on more duties generally.

In your post, you have made a few "sexist" or "traditional" comments but of course you are entitled to your opinion.

You said:

" A working women is not haram in islam ..but islam put conditions to control this , women must have a true need to work either to help the family economically or to secure the living or its family in case of absence of men inside the family."

Where does it say that women can only work for financial reasons?

I believe that women may work for any reason. Whether they want to assume financial responsibility in the household or make extra money for the future. I also believe that both MEN AND WOMEN should make their children/family the main priority. Whatever form they decide to do this in it's their business and is halal. So if a family decides it's best for her to say home, while the man works, so be it. And if it's the other way around, bardo no problem, fahim?

You said:

" to make sure they do their main rule they were created for which is raising children "

Now the Quran says something else ya akhi. The Quran says that Allah created us to worship HIM alone. Ya3ni the 3ibadah can be in different forms (Salat, zakah, working..etc). And Allah will account both males and females alike. Therefore, women and men need to make their first priority Allah, il 3ibadah.

So when you make such a statement that my job as a female is to raise children. I refuse to take that. Because Allah gave me a better status, to WORSHIP HIM.

Tyib, so I will worship Allah, ezzay?

There are many ways of doing this. And subhanAllah every human is different. Yani for some males they dedicate their entire life to Da3wah and studying Quran. Others they spend on scientific research. Maybe a female will spend her life fixing social norms through writing or discovering something in science. You get the picture?

So raising children could be one of the many things she does, but that's not her ONLY focus. Because Allah commanded us to educate ourselves "Iqra bi2im rabika althathee 7'alaq" sa7? And this order is for both males and females.

So when you come tell me that my job is to raise children, then what about the women who can't have any? Or the unmarried women?

If all the females decide to stay at home and follow the rationale, then there won't be any female doctors or educators. As Muslims, our prophet taught us to be unselfish and it's extremely unselfish if I don't think of others.

My point is, women in Islam can be anything and do anything. They aren't regarded less than men. The Western world gave women 50% of rights and responsibilities, but guess what? They still end up doing most of the work. They raise the children, do household chores and work outside paying the bills.

That is why our Islam is the best. A woman has the choice to work, to keep her own money and be independent. Family is the top priority fi il Islam. Because family is what produces our Ummah. So both males and females need to work hard to establish a strong loving family. But let's stop pointing fingers on females only.

As regards to my post. The points you made is one of the reasons I never want to marry an Arab :-) because I think differently.

I like the discussion and thank you for inviting me to it.

Fi aman illah

Organic

 

At 2:57 AM, Blogger Unknown

first of all , i want to tell you that i was thinking seriously on closing this blog and keep the arabic
because i was almost talking to myself here

twaklna 3ala allah
bism allah:
first of all when talking about women is created to raise children i meant biologically , i wont talk about singular cases here like women who cant have children , i am talking about a specific case , a family that has mother , father , and children.

i totally agree that HUMNAN is created for one mission which is worshiping allah , and nothing else outside this frame matters as we all are going to die and leave everything behind.

you said that women can work for reasons other than financial
but you said :
1-assume financial responsibility in the household
2-make extra money for future
they are both financial .. but the main goal is that woman when go to work she go for a reason , thats what matters .. when i wrote the topic , all thoughts come to be financial related thats all .. but as you said .. woman who works for enriching science or helping sick ppl or any Good reason isalm approved her ofcourse i can say the counter and i never meant the counter
"inama a2l a3malo bilnyat " as prophet said

so if woman is not doing any thing haram in her job , and her intention is for the good of islam and her family then .. whats wrong ?why not?

your comment here is actually just like what i meant .. SHE must have a true reason (doesn't matter if economically or not)

in my openion (practical one ) women get now sexual harassments in the streets due to lake of faith and many other things .. so the more she stays in house the better it is .

I believe that raising children is a job not less important than being a nuclear scientist because her rule affects the whole community in the long term .. morals get negative slope when her rule decreases .. and lets be honest for a while .. a working woman and working man means children with low control lvl , she comes home tired .. hardly can cook .. what is she trying to proof ? doing both jobs ? one in the morning and another on the rest of the day ?
she cant do them both right .. unless she sacrificed her health to achieve this .

Even in west now there are new voices coming loud calling for women to wakeup and look what they missed in they rush towards freedom
they became exhosted and tired because they are trying to hold the stick from both sides at the same time.

 

At 6:08 PM, Blogger Organica

"in my openion (practical one ) women get now sexual harassments in the streets due to lake of faith and many other things .. so the more she stays in house the better it is "

Ya Meshmesh, why do women have to stay at home to avoid harassment, why not teach the disgusting men to respect women? Covering or non-covering?

A woman can work for any reason, it doesn't have to be financial. For example, I choose to work for myself, not for money!

I don't disagree with you about family. But if you read closely what I wrote previously, both men and women need to assume responsibilty and whatever way they choose, it's their choice. It could be done in many forms.

But I can't ask women to stay home because it's safer for them and that's where they belong anyways. This is a "male" version of Islam that I refuse to accept.

 

At 8:58 PM, Blogger Unknown

you still didnt get what i mean ,assume this example .
assume i am agirl , the most important thing in my life now is to get a proper education .. now i am in college .. life is so great and i am learning new staff about life and how it really looks like ,but started to see some bad sides too .. i have seen that the world is not a garden of love and respect there are some sick ppl too but i know how to deal with them and make them stop .

Now i am graduated .. i am infront of a choice now , work or no work ?? here we have a split way in my life .. if i have a dream and want to achieve it i will choose to work , also if i like new challenges i will choose to go for work .. why ? because i want to try a new thing
eventually i choosed to continue my life and search for a career .
i got a good job now , having nice sallery too , but still have some annoying ppl inside my work invironment , some ppl are jst around me where ever i go as a fly around sweets , but i decided to ignore them .

still working and begining to get used to this way of life .. wakeup go to work ,come home tired but happy .

wow i got engaged , we discussed my going to work issue , he said that he doesnt have any problem as long as i dont ignore my home requirements .

i got married it is a bit harder now to go home after work and start to make dinner and clean the house , but it is ok , i can still survive this life .. he is helping me some times in home but not always .

i am pregnant we discussed my work issue again , i told him i will take vication once i have the baby for two years <-- here where i am talking about this point where she have to choose between work and her house life forever

if she had this job to just fill her time , without any goal or message to deliver for her community her choice will mostly differ than another one her job is a part of her life .. something she cant get separated off .

but we will assume that she choosed to go to work after having the baby and the two years vication .

she is very tired now ,life is not that simple as before , before she had spare time to spend resting after working , now she feels like she have two jobs , each one starts just after the other ends , and this affects her performance in both jobs , if she choosed this job for a purpose from the begining she will decide to complete her job , and overcome all obstacles

but if she was doing this job just for fun .. it is not fun anymore , specially when she cant act inside the house as she should be , adding to this what she faces every day in her work invironment or in the way from work to home , beside the physical effort that is much more than her weak power .. she put that in her considerations and then decide .. here if she is going to continue or not .. there is no man here to force here to leave her job , it is her choice .. but she is commeted to an agreement from the begining to quite once she cant do both jobs .. thats the point that i mean where she have to choose

if she can struggle and win it is ok , if she choosed to struggle and lost .. the only victime is her children no body else , and we cant blame man here for this , because it is his normal duty to work and secure all house needs , she is the alternative here

she already had her chance .. filled her time when she needed to , but now it is not only filling her time , it has also a house she is responsible for in the absence of her husband for work , and children to raise , Mother is the main charcter when talking about raising children , Father is important but it is not his main job here , it is the second job .. but for woman it is her first periority.

all may talking was about this stage when she have her part of amusement and now facing the tough choice

 

At 10:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous

I get your point and you are being realistic here.

I am discussing the general mindset...the reality is differnet for many people.

Many of my friends, who have children, are bored when the children reach school age. What to do with their time? Many find it better to go back in the work force.

I believe it's important that the family comes first. But I also believe that a woman should not lose her identity just because she is married. Sadly our sisters in Islam and even the brothers change everything after they marry. I refuse to accept that.

 

At 10:35 PM, Blogger Unknown

I talked about the different models of men , if she is forced to change her life then she choosed the wrong model thats all

going to work can be resumed in any stage of her life , i know one who is going back to work now after her first son went to college she did her job , now she is doing what she think is right , no one forced her to quit her job , also no one stands against her well to resume her career.

talking about arab as one block is not right .. arab society is like any other society , have all colors .. you just have to be careful when choosing ur favorite color , maybe some colors are rare to find .. but there are out there still exists

 

At 5:12 AM, Blogger Organica

Why close your English blog? Is it because you don't have time to update or because you aren't getting traffic?

I see everything black and white :)

we shukran!

 

At 7:27 PM, Blogger Unknown

Traffic is OK , even when i am not making any activity i still have traffic , but i dont have comments .. makes me feel after a while i am talking to myself .. even when i have comments it is usualy some thing like well done , repeat , 3azama 3ala 3azama ya sit

this makes me feel bored thats all.

i made this blog searching for the other openion that may correct me if i am wrong or i tell him that he is wrong for this and that

thats all

 

At 3:43 AM, Blogger Unknown

:)


il blog ynawar ... bas ih ra2yik ?
mosh 7'ati 7lw bardo fil blog?

 

At 4:50 AM, Blogger Unknown

ih dah ?
a2sdik in 7'ati w7ish we mosh 3agbik??
;(

 

At 10:16 AM, Blogger Unknown

fi drasa min masdar mwsoq mino in illi 7'ato w7ish 3abqari


congratulations :D